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Pat Joins Longtime New York Times Correspondent Craig S. Smith on Eye on A.I. Podcast
Pat sat down with Craig S. Smith, a veteran NYT reporter who is now the host of the artificial intelligence-focused podcast Eye on A.I.

Abstract
September 11, 2025
Earlier this summer, Pat sat down with Craig S. Smith, a veteran NYT reporter who is now the host of the artificial intelligence-focused podcast Eye on A.I. Together they chatted about how AI is transforming the way we understand policy.
They dove into:
- How Abstract started with natural language processing research at LMU before evolving into a venture-backed platform.
- Why spotting risks and opportunities in bills, regulations, and executive orders is critical for businesses.
- The realities of amendments and lobbying strategy — and how AI can make the process more transparent and proactive .
- The bigger vision: making policy more accessible not just for enterprises, but for everyday voters to better understand how government decisions impact them .
If you’re interested in the intersection of AI, law, and our evolving democracy, definitely give this episode a listen!
🎧Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/284-pat-utz-inside-abstract-the-ai-that-decodes-laws/id1438378439?i=1000725413626
🎧Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2aLV9MjrfeJ1KC4X0fMquT?si=6KmXolwKSU6Eioe28Q-abw
🎧Youtube: https://youtu.be/vw79rZTut1E
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